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Home News Insights The Faster, 3-Door FK8 Civic Type R That Honda Won’t Build The Faster, 3-Door FK8 Civic Type R That Honda Won’t Build Insights Hans | August 12, 2017 08:58 am From the time when Honda’s red Type R badge made its debut in the Japan-only NSX Type R, officially known as NSX-R, Type R models are usually either two-door coupes or three-door hatchbacks.Apart from the FD2 and FK2 generation Civic Type R, four- or five-door models are rarely promoted to become a core Type R model. Yes, Honda did produce a small number of four-door variants of the DC2 generation Integra Type R, and there was also the short-lived European market Accord Type R, but these models sit on the fringes of the Type R’s hallowed history.Basic understanding of physics suggests that with less aperture, a three-door Civic Type R would have benefitted from improved structural rigidity, thereby requiring less chassis stiffening materials, which would also mean that it’s lighter and therefore faster.Honda currently sells the three-door Civic Si Coupe in North America, produced exclusively in Canada. Like the Civic Type R, the Civic Si Coupe is available only with a 6-speed manual transmission. What’s more, the lesser Civic Si Coupe also shares some suspension components with the Civic Type R – rear bushings and upper control arms.Studying both cars, one gets the impression that Honda is intentionally limiting the Civic Si Coupe’s power to just 208 PS (from a 1.5-litre VTEC Turbo) and is withholding the larger 2.0-litre VTEC Turbo engine from it in order to create room for the five-door hatchback Civic Type R.So when we had the chance to speak to Hideki Kakinuma, Assistant Large Project Leader for all-new Civic Type R while sitting on the sidelines of the Civic Type R’s Indonesian debut, we had to ask Kakinuma-san - why a five-door hatchback rather than a 3-door like many previous Civic Type R models?Kakinuma-san acknowledged that yes, this subject was discussed during the FK8 Civic Type R’s development period. However he added that demand for a 3-door Civic is limited mostly to the US. As such, the Civic Si Coupe is produced in North America (Canada to be exact) and is only available in left-hand drive form.The current Civic Type R is produced only in Europe (in Swindon, United Kingdom) and the economics just work out better with a five-door hatchback Civic Type R.“We don’t just produce a car for the sake of producing a car, but we need to also make sure that the car can be sold (in sufficient numbers),” said Kakinuma.In short, producing a three-door Civic Type R and exporting it out of either North America or Europe would’ve been too expensive.But from an engineering perspective, yes a three-door Civic Type R would’ve been even faster.“If you look at the laws of physics, definitely it (a three-door Civic Type R) would’ve been faster. It would have been lighter and faster,” said Kakinuma.In other words, if cost control was not a concern, and if Honda were to go all out to produce the purest Civic Type R that it is capable of engineering, then a three-door version of the FK8 would’ve smashed the Nurburgring lap record (7 minutes and 43.8 seconds) for front-wheel drive cars even further.The FK8 Civic Type R retails in Indonesia for IDR 995,000,000 (about RM320,000). Distributor Honda Prospect Motor has managed to secure just 50 units of the Civic Type R for 2017, many of it already have a ready buyer waiting.So is it coming to Malaysia? Honda Malaysia refused to be drawn in to any discussion on the topic but considering that the model is already launched in neighbouring countries like Singapore, Philippines and Indonesia, and the fact that Malaysia is the only country outside of Japan to ever sold the FD2 generation Civic Type R sedan, we are confident that the model will be making its Malaysian debut sometime next year. ✕ Let's Connect on Whatsapp We protect your personal information in compliance with the PDPA I agree with Carlist.my Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. I agree to receive personalised communication from Carlist.my and its car sellers, business affiliates and partners. Check out the best car deals in town! Prev Next Special offer - call now! days hours Avg. mkt. Why no price is listed? Sometime dealer wants you to contact for the best price. I Why no price is listed? Sometime dealer wants you to contact for the best price. 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The Faster, 3-Door FK8 Civic Type R That Honda Won’t Build Insights Hans | August 12, 2017 08:58 am From the time when Honda’s red Type R badge made its debut in the Japan-only NSX Type R, officially known as NSX-R, Type R models are usually either two-door coupes or three-door hatchbacks.Apart from the FD2 and FK2 generation Civic Type R, four- or five-door models are rarely promoted to become a core Type R model. Yes, Honda did produce a small number of four-door variants of the DC2 generation Integra Type R, and there was also the short-lived European market Accord Type R, but these models sit on the fringes of the Type R’s hallowed history.Basic understanding of physics suggests that with less aperture, a three-door Civic Type R would have benefitted from improved structural rigidity, thereby requiring less chassis stiffening materials, which would also mean that it’s lighter and therefore faster.Honda currently sells the three-door Civic Si Coupe in North America, produced exclusively in Canada. Like the Civic Type R, the Civic Si Coupe is available only with a 6-speed manual transmission. What’s more, the lesser Civic Si Coupe also shares some suspension components with the Civic Type R – rear bushings and upper control arms.Studying both cars, one gets the impression that Honda is intentionally limiting the Civic Si Coupe’s power to just 208 PS (from a 1.5-litre VTEC Turbo) and is withholding the larger 2.0-litre VTEC Turbo engine from it in order to create room for the five-door hatchback Civic Type R.So when we had the chance to speak to Hideki Kakinuma, Assistant Large Project Leader for all-new Civic Type R while sitting on the sidelines of the Civic Type R’s Indonesian debut, we had to ask Kakinuma-san - why a five-door hatchback rather than a 3-door like many previous Civic Type R models?Kakinuma-san acknowledged that yes, this subject was discussed during the FK8 Civic Type R’s development period. However he added that demand for a 3-door Civic is limited mostly to the US. As such, the Civic Si Coupe is produced in North America (Canada to be exact) and is only available in left-hand drive form.The current Civic Type R is produced only in Europe (in Swindon, United Kingdom) and the economics just work out better with a five-door hatchback Civic Type R.“We don’t just produce a car for the sake of producing a car, but we need to also make sure that the car can be sold (in sufficient numbers),” said Kakinuma.In short, producing a three-door Civic Type R and exporting it out of either North America or Europe would’ve been too expensive.But from an engineering perspective, yes a three-door Civic Type R would’ve been even faster.“If you look at the laws of physics, definitely it (a three-door Civic Type R) would’ve been faster. It would have been lighter and faster,” said Kakinuma.In other words, if cost control was not a concern, and if Honda were to go all out to produce the purest Civic Type R that it is capable of engineering, then a three-door version of the FK8 would’ve smashed the Nurburgring lap record (7 minutes and 43.8 seconds) for front-wheel drive cars even further.The FK8 Civic Type R retails in Indonesia for IDR 995,000,000 (about RM320,000). Distributor Honda Prospect Motor has managed to secure just 50 units of the Civic Type R for 2017, many of it already have a ready buyer waiting.So is it coming to Malaysia? Honda Malaysia refused to be drawn in to any discussion on the topic but considering that the model is already launched in neighbouring countries like Singapore, Philippines and Indonesia, and the fact that Malaysia is the only country outside of Japan to ever sold the FD2 generation Civic Type R sedan, we are confident that the model will be making its Malaysian debut sometime next year. ✕ Let's Connect on Whatsapp We protect your personal information in compliance with the PDPA I agree with Carlist.my Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. I agree to receive personalised communication from Carlist.my and its car sellers, business affiliates and partners. Check out the best car deals in town! Prev Next Special offer - call now! days hours Avg. mkt. Why no price is listed? Sometime dealer wants you to contact for the best price. I Why no price is listed? Sometime dealer wants you to contact for the best price. Related Tags civic Honda Honda Civic Honda Civic Type R Jakarta Jakarta 2017 Type R
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FK8 Honda Civic Type R: Making Automatic Rev-Matching Work Insights Hans | August 11, 2017 As you might’ve already read, the FK8 Civic Type R is only available with a 6-speed manual transmission. If you can’t handle three pedals, then you ...
How Honda Dummy-Proofs The FK8 Civic Type R’s Short Shifting 6-Speed Manual Transmission Insights Hans | August 11, 2017 As you might have already know, the all-new FK8 Civic Type R is available only with an ‘old school’ three-pedal 6-speed manual transmission, an ...
The Honda Type R Family – Its Origins And A Peek Into The Future Of Honda's Performance Cars Insights Hans | January 04, 2018 "Why don't you raise your target to 100 horsepower per litre?" That was the question posed by Nobuhiko Kawamoto, President of Honda R&D in 1986, to ...
Review: 2017 Honda Civic Type R (FK8) – Making 320PS Work On FWD Reviews Kon | August 04, 2017 The original Honda Civic launched in 1972 was the car that changed its maker’s history forever. Forty five years and ten model generations on, the ...